Scoping a penetration test shouldn’t feel like negotiating a hostage situation—but here we are. In this engaging, no-holds-barred session, two seasoned cybersecurity professionals take the stage in a hilarious and painfully relatable discussion, showcasing the absurd, frustrating, and all-too-common conversations between consultants and clients. Expect real stories, plenty of laughs, and insights that will make you rethink how you approach penetration testing and security assessments. Whether you're a consultant, security leader, or someone who’s just tired of hearing "We don’t need a pentest", this talk is for you.