Offensive security classes and instruction, often referenced as Ethical Hacking or Penetration Testing, are popular both for current professionals as well as for students at both the college and university levels. While this may be successful in teaching how to attack systems it is less common to see effective teaching of intrusion detection and response techniques. Another challenge is conveying these concepts and practical techniques as attractive and interesting as those utilized by the "red team". This session will discuss how industry and academia can overcome these challenges and develop effective Cyber Defense professionals to meet the industry need.