Generally, "hackers" are regarded as criminals by the "legitimate community." Who are these "hackers" that seem to keep whacking on our systems and networks? Are they merely scumbag reprobates that should be purged from the society? Is there anything to learn from them? This session is intended to introduce the two sides of the security equation to one another in a forum which fosters open, detailed, honest communication. Bring your questions. Who are the enemies of computer and network security? What techniques do they employ against us? Are those that attack our systems all just a bunch of slime balls that are devoid of morals, ethics, and common sense? While in the minority of reported computer crime statistics, the skilled outsider still represents a significant threat. This session explores who they are, their attitudes, their techniques, their successes and their failures from the perspective of what we have to learn from them to better protect your systems and networks. This classic session allows you to interact directly with members of the computer underground. Join us for some stimulating conversation with those who computer security professionals consider to be their enemies.